Kurt Granzow came into himself as a gay man at the same time that he found conservative Lutheranism in the San Francisco Bay Area in the early 90s. What came next was a decade of communion and pursuit of ministry within the church, all the while denying his own need to express his true sexuality and capacities for an authentic kind of personal, queer love in his life. He’s spent the last two decades finding queer and spiritual community outside the church, and is now also known as Sister Krissy Fiction of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, an international order of queer nuns promelgating universal joy and expiating stigmatic guilt!
We talked about:
Coming out in the early 90s; conservative Christianity and Lutheranism; conservative Christian theology; the so-called “ex-gay” movement; LGBTQ parents; pressure in the church toward heterosexual marriage; missionary travel; being closeted; September 11; Portland, Oregon; exploring liberal Christianity and paganism, neo-paganism; the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence; gay and trans Pride; examining and leveraging white cis privilege to work against oppression of people of color and trans folks.
Why Morrissey is a dick
A good summary of how J.K. Rowling confirmed her commitment to trans exclusion
Crystal Frasier on Twitter
The downfall of Exodus International, and the “ex-gay” movement
The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence
The Radical Faeries – a history of the Faeries by one of the co-founders, Don Kilhefner
The Trevor Project resources for LGBTQIAA youth and adult allies
Correction, for historicity’s sake, The LGBT group in 1990-1992, at De Anza College in Cupertino, California, was called GALA (Gay and Lesbian Alliance) and then changed to LGBA (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Alliance, pronounced “Ligba”) during the time Kurt and I attended, and then when I was at UC Santa Cruz in 1992-1994, the LGBTQ group was called GLBN (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Network, pronounced “Galben.”) I remembered this after we recorded!
Additional musical interludes in this episode were by Adam Selzer. Music licensing at needledrop.co. We used excerpts from his songs “Toy Piano Trader,” “Strings and Blips,” and “Ghost Waltz.” Find more from Adam at adamselzerworks.com.
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