Early childhood educator and photographer Kati Douglas and I talk about her career in the education field and what her first few years in leadership were like. We talk about what it’s like to deal with white supremacy as a biracial Black mom of Black kids with a Black partner. We also talk about how her struggle with postpartum depression catalyzed a radical career path change, and how she puts equity and justice at the center of all her work.

You can find Kati’s absolutely gorgeous photography work at

xilophotography.com and @xilophotography on instagram.

A couple quick references in the episode:

We talk about the wonderful Buen Dia Family School, serving preschoolers in the Mission in San Francisco. 

Fact check: 

Kati’s principal at Flynn Elementary in San Francisco was Dr. Karling Aguilera-Fort, now a superintendent of schools in Southern California.

We talk in the episode about the acquittal of Treyvon Martin’s murderer, and about the murder of George Floyd, and the Black Lives Matter movement. Learn BLM herstory here.

Sound effects in this episode by jackjames_tomknevitt – “Zip dot Wav,” used under a CC BY 3.0 license.

Find their audio at freesound.org.

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